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25 July 2006

Did He Just Quote Vatican II?!

Well, We haven't yet, but we are about to. Ok, here goes.
Christ, the final Adam, by the revelation of the Father and His love, fully reveals man to himself and makes his supreme calling clear.

Gaudium et Spes, 22

So that seems harmless enough, right? WRONG! It's really quite a radical statement. We propose for consideration the the Greek command to "Know thyself." Now if what the council is saying here is true (which it is), then before anyone can actually know himself, he must first know someone else, specifically Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, and he must know the truth about Him before he can know the full truth about himself. Now where else can someone find the fullness of truth about Our Lord and Savior than His Bride, Holy Mother Church? Nowhere! Anathema sit to him who thinks otherwise!


Anonymous said...

7/25/2006 10:05 AM

Anonymous said...

Well...We had supposed that someone would have written about this topic before...In fact, We are absolutely aware that many have written about this same topic, but we were not aware that it had happened so recently. Thank you anonymous for the link to so recent a post on knowing Ourself. We also like the fact that this link refers to two excellent doctors of the Universal Church.

7/25/2006 10:18 AM

Altissimus Pius XIII said...

We would also call attention to Gaudium et Spes 24:

"Indeed, the Lord Jesus, when He prayed to the Father, 'that all may be one. . . as we are one' (John 17:21-22) opened up vistas closed to human reason, for He implied a certain likeness between the union of the divine Persons, and the unity of God's sons in truth and charity. This likeness reveals that man, who is the only creature on earth which God willed for itself, cannot fully find himself except through a sincere gift of himself."

This references our need to imitate the sacrificial and kenotic (self-emptying, as in Phil. 2) example of the Son. It also has a secondary marital implication, as John Paul II of blessed memory articulates in his theological anthropology.

7/25/2006 11:16 AM

Discipula Doctoris Subtilis said...

Greetings, Papae et lectores benevoli! As a somewhat consistent observer of this blog, I was, after a fashion, taken aback by this post. I express my concern not as one who questions the use of Vatican II texts, but as one hoping that we might clear up our theological commitments quam primum.

Ad rem: I will start first with the quotation, then to its interpretation. There seems to be more harmony at work with both the Greek adage and the Council author in this place (who is supposed by George Wiegel to be JPII bonae memoriae himself) than first supposed, I suspect.

Man, if he is to know truly either God or himself, must grow in knowledge of both as they are in themselves. The directive of the Council points to Christ as the origin of man's knowledge about himself, because in His person, He exemplifies fully God and man.

However, and this is a subtle point, but an important one, GS 22 points to Christ as the one doing the revealing, but appears not necessarily to point to man knowing Christ as a condition for this revealing. In fact, and I think it is clear enough to see in ordinary life, Christ reveals people to themselves, even those who do not know Christ. Sometimes, even, this can be the basis of conversion to Christ as He is, viz., the grace of perhaps for the first time seeing oneself as one truly is by seeing what one is not.

Of course, this is not to imply that self-knowledge apart from Christ is sufficient. Knowledge of self must be informed by knowing Christ. One who does not know Christ cannot fully know himself either; whatever knowledge that one has of himself is partial until it is realized in view of Christ.

This is evident for the same reason that a man cannot know what he is about unless he understands his purpose, his end, his telos; in as much as God is man's telos (we take this on good authority, God himself), he must know Him if he is to know what he is about. The original point, of course, is that there is some knowledge that a man may have of himself, albeit imperfectly without Christ, but that exists independently of his knowing Christ, though Christ is the one who gives it.

Indeed, know thyself! But know also that it is Christ who does the revealing, for the Almighty has known us first.

7/25/2006 1:20 PM

Altissimus Pius XIII said...

Whilst we appreciate your thoughtful comment, we are not sure how one might gather that the document allows for the revelation of Christ apart from the knowing of Christ. Contextualized, Gaudium et Spes goes on to speak of Christians as being informed by the Spirit; and it is clear that all knowledge - and especially that of Christ - is in some sense an act of receiving, since grace is a gift received. Although we would agree that the conciliar documents have a propensity for vagueness, we would think it a presupposition that the Christian man is he who truly knows Christ, and that a man is truly Christian by receiving and acting upon grace.

Flowing also from the deeper sense of "knowing" is the fact that one who knows Christ must imitate Him insofar as possible, in order to perfect oneself. This ties into GS 24.

Or perhaps we misunderstand your concern?

7/25/2006 6:50 PM

Anonymous said...

We find it quite humorous that the schismatic is defending the Second Vatican Council, the cause of his schism...

Altissimus Pius XIII said...

Nah, we schismed against the "spirit" of Vatican II, which owns the day.